I don't wish to start a flame war against Stormfront or Black, but rather to simply defend TAA.

I commend Black for his incredibly huge success with Stormfront. I've known him since the late 70's, when he visited and inselfishly gave WPP thousands of copies of his own newspapers FREE, to help get the WPP started. He's worked his ass off for decades to further The Cause. ZOG threw him in prison, and he's devoted his life, in spite of the threats and dangers to himself. No way will I attack him publicly for those reasons.

But he's wrong to bash TAA. And Ron Doggett in right. The 74,000 "strong" Stormfront ought to publish a similar newspaper and get their do-nothing-contribute-nothing, cheap, lazy forum members off their paralyzed, computer-stooled asses.

Sieg Heil !!!

One Stormfronter, Lord Playfair a long-time Miller hater btw, lies that 10,000 tabloid newspapers cost $2,500.00 to print. Not so. It's only $800.00, and that's for a 16-pager. 10,000 8-pagers is only $400.00. A 4-pager for only $200.00. Lord Playfair deliberately lied. Wonder why ??

Why the need to lie Glenn?

My post from SF:

I don't know what the printing and distribution costs are these days for a publication, but I'd imagine that a 10,000 would probably cost in the region of $2,500(?) printing, shipping, et al.

Of course, I stress these are not accurate figures, just rough estimates based on experiance.

There is only one liar in this thread, and he was just exposed.

I don't wish to start a flame war against Stormfront or Black, but rather to simply defend TAA.

Then why start threads and lie about it's members?

That appears to me to be the action of a man wishing to start a flame war.

Or are you going to now be man enough to admit your post was wrong?

For anyone who wants the truth, instead of millers spin and rantings (he's a long term Playfair hater), then they can read the full post that I wrote here:

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showpost.php?p=2681988&postcount=140

It was NOT an attack on VNN or TAA as can be qualified by another quote of mine in the same thread:

There are some good people at VNN, people I class as true friends post there, so I refrain from attacking it.

But was in fact part of an ongoing discussion on how to move the movement forward, and which mediums were the best to employ in the future.

Please, click on the link and read the truth for yourself.

It is a sad reflection that people need to try and twist these words, and to bring in dishonest attacks on other people to try and start flame wars between messageboards.

It does not speak well of anyone who stoops to such measures.

For anyone who wants the truth, instead of millers spin and rantings (he's a long term Playfair hater), then they can read the full post that I wrote here:

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showpost.php?p=2681988&postcount=140

It was NOT an attack on VNN or TAA as can be qualified by another quote of mine in the same thread:

But was in fact part of an ongoing discussion on how to move the movement forward, and which mediums were the best to employ in the future.

Please, click on the link and read the truth for yourself.

It is a sad reflection that people need to try and twist these words, and to bring in dishonest attacks on other people to try and start flame wars between messageboards.

It does not speak well of anyone who stoops to such measures.

You're kinda making a mountain out of one small mole hill error, ain cha ??

But I'll concede my mistake. Instead of over pricing the costs of TAA by 300 percent, you only over priced them by about 100 percent.

Now bring up your entire post, not just the link to it. And let VNN'ers decide for themselves whether or not you badmouthed WN newspapers. And since TAA was the newspaper being discussed, your blatant attempt to discredit it is blatantly obvious. Wouldn't you say ??

Be honest, straight forward and not deceptive.

I of course agree btw, that video and audio are excellent media via which to take our message to the masses, but I content that we ought to use newspapers as well, in order to reach the majority of Whites who either lack computers or are inefficient in using them. Newspapers reach both the computer literate and those who aren't. And the majority aren't.

WN newspaper distributions not only help educate Whites regarding the jews, but they generate a hell of alot of media speaking opportunites. How many radio talk shows has Don been invited on lately ??

My main point is that though Stormfront does lots of good, it could do a hell of alot more, specifically the publication of a WN newspaper for mass distributions by it's thousands of computer-stooled choir members. Eh ??

I mean that instead of 3 Stormfronters out of the total of 74,000, showing up for the Texas demonstration, you could probably convince a few more than 3 to distribute newspapers.

Whatchathink ??

The jews print tens-of-millions of newspapers every day.

The big difference is that people PAY the joooooz for the privelege of reading these tens of millions of newspapers. On the other hand, anyone can GIVE a newspaper away, and therein lies the crucial difference.

The big difference is that people PAY the joooooz for the privelege of reading these tens of millions of newspapers. On the other hand, anyone can GIVE a newspaper away, and therein lies the crucial difference.

Ha !!! TAAs would have sold like hotcakes in Louisianna, Alabama, and Mississippi after Katrina. And they'd sell most everywhere else, day and nite, if we stationed armed guards next to vending machines to prevent soccermoms from trashing them all.

Go back to your anti-TAA drawing board, and try again.

You're kinda making a mountain out of one small mole hill error, ain cha ??

Kind of like calling someone a liar when they ain't?

But I'll concede my mistake. Instead of over pricing the costs of TAA by 300 percent, you only over priced them by about 100 percent.

I didn't price the TAA at all, as people can see if they read MY posts, instead of YOUR spin.

Now bring up your entire post, not just the link to it. And let VNN'ers decide for themselves whether or not you badmouthed WN newspapers. And since TAA was the newspaper being discussed, your blatant attempt to discredit it is blatantly obvious. Wouldn't you say ??

No I wouldn't say Glenn, seeing as the papers I were discussing were 1) the SF paper, and 2) a paper I worked on in a previous decade in a pervious country.

I state as much clearly in that thread.

Be honest, straight forward and not deceptive.

I am, how about you follow my example?

I have several boards to moderate, so I don't have time to continue with this at present, so let me leave it like this.

If you want to start some silly internet board war, that's up to you, but don't try and drag me into it to justify it.

My words are plain and simple, and clear for everyone to see, and bear no resemblance to anything you tried to post here.

Next time you try to start some board wars, and you feel like using my name, at least do me the honor of being honest, rather than just typing a load of crap.

If you are a man, and if you have any dignity or honor, you will admit this little propoganda thread of yours was a fuck up from start to finish, and you will move on, instead of trying to spin your way out of it.

It doesn't show you in a honorable light when you try to play games like that.

Kind of like calling someone a liar when they ain't?

ROUNDER: You're right. I apologize for my mistake caused by misreading one sentence.

I didn't price the TAA at all, as people can see if they read MY posts, instead of YOUR spin.

ROUNDER: The thread was entitled "VNN Shutdown", and all discussion in it was therefore, VNN oriented. Ron Doggett, a TAA distributor, brought up the subject of TAA and WN newspapers. You and others made postings to obviously discourage printings and distributions. Thus, your cost estimates, were naturally taken by readers to mean costs related to TAA. See ?? You're the spinner, not me.

No I wouldn't say Glenn, seeing as the papers I were discussing were 1) the SF paper, and 2) a paper I worked on in a previous decade in a pervious country.

I state as much clearly in that thread.

ROUNDER: I confess you spoke out of both corners of your mouth in that particular posting. Now do as I asked, and bring up the entire posting so everyone can judge for themselves whether or not you deliberately bashed TAA.

I am, how about you follow my example?

ROUNDER: Sorry, but I prefer using straight forward, non-ambiguous, non-confusing rhetoric. Now go back, review my postings above, and address them here without spins. (How come only 3 Stormfronters showed up in Texas, and are you afraid only a similar small number would distribute a Stormfront newspaper ? I'd be more than happy to come there and push their lazy asses off computer stools, where they've sat in cob webs for years)

I have several boards to moderate, so I don't have time to continue with this at present, so let me leave it like this.

If you want to start some silly internet board war, that's up to you, but don't try and drag me into it to justify it.

My words are plain and simple, and clear for everyone to see, and bear no resemblance to anything you tried to post here.

Next time you try to start some board wars, and you feel like using my name, at least do me the honor of being honest, rather than just typing a load of crap.

If you are a man, and if you have any dignity or honor, you will admit this little propoganda thread of yours was a fuck up from start to finish, and you will move on, instead of trying to spin your way out of it.

It doesn't show you in a honorable light when you try to play games like that.

No, no, no. Don't lay that guilt trip "flame war starter" accusation on me. It was you who came here, not me going there. But if you'd like to engage me in a flame war, most particularly regarding my association with The Order, a topic you've proven to enjoy where I'm not allowed to defend myself, I'll be delighted to engage you in the Chutzpah Lounge where flame wars are legitimate and authorized.

Now post that freakin TAA bashing thread of your's, before I lost my temper.

Then why start threads and lie about it's members?

That appears to me to be the action of a man wishing to start a flame war.

Or are you going to now be man enough to admit your post was wrong?

When I read Rounder's first post in this thread, I recalled your post pricing it at $2,500.00. I too didn't remember the tentativeness (though it was clearly there), just the figure. So in all fairness, I don't think this is some major point against Miller (and I notice he admitted the mistake later in this thread.) But the major point of your discouragement of tabloid distribution for cost-benefit reasons still remains. I don't know if it has a great or poor return, in itself, in members, or contributions, etc. But what I do know is that VNN has grown significantly since TAA started, in both members, and activity. And for that I can only commend Mr. Miller, as I believe that TAA, with its concomitant media attention, had to have something to do with it.

But what I do know is that VNN has grown significantly since TAA started, in both members, and activity. And for that I can only commend Mr. Miller, as I believe that TAA, with its concomitant media attention, had to have something to do with it.

How many people posting here claim to have first heard of VNN from the tabloid?